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  1. lurker

    lurker First Round Draft Pick

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    We need a new crunch time specialist in:

    -rebounds
    -blocks
    -steals
    -deflections
    -disruption of the inbounds pass

    Ben saved many games with these types of plays. He has has the court vision to see plays unfolding and the athleticism to get there in time to do something about it. Tay also does a lot of these things well in late-game situations. I don't know where this type of awareness comes from, but I bet it involves watching a lot of film.
     
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    i dont' remember ben being effective in crunch time. i remember the ben being sat on the end of the bench cause he can't be on the court in crunch time. i remember the missed free throws that just made that block, steal, deflection, rebound irrelevant.

    we will be fine without ben. mcdyess is a super rebounder and nazr is a good rebounder too. delfino grabs boards from the sf position too. the rebounds will be spread out more but they won't go down.
     
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    Your right, Jay. We were much better last season with Ben on the end of the bench than we were the season before when he played in crunch time. :rolleyes:
     
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    i'm just thinking of the times that the Palace erupts because Ben did just what TaShawn describes below. I don't mean to give it too much emphasis. Just to say that's what will be hard to replace, however important it actually is is another question.

     
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    I don't think jay is totally off the mark here. i just think he's overstating his case. i can remember ben being effective in crunch time for all the reasons mentioned in lurker's post. and i can remember some times when ben's weaknesses (difficulty finishing in the post, or poor free throw shooting) made games closer than they needed to be and thus necessitated his other crunch time heroics. and i believe that, on balance, over the course of his career in Detroit, he helped much more than he hurt during crunch time.
     
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    Ben was dominate in the crunch time. Except for last years playoffs which is probably the main reason why he is not here anymore. If we had the old Ben we would have won the title.
     
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    Or maybe if the coach would have played Ben during crunch time...
     
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    ``i dont' remember ben being effective in crunch time. i remember the ben being sat on the end of the bench cause he can't be on the court in crunch time'' -- LOL. Might was well get a tattoo that says ``My opinion is worthless''. I'll pay if you want.

    Countless times Ben would make a cluctch defensive play at the endmof a tight game, very often after missing the FTs -- you'd see the determination on his face and there he'd be, 20 secs. after the brick, shutting it down. If you look at all the playoff games we've won in the past 4 years, you'll find that we scored very little in the last 3/4 minutes. The other team scored less. There aren't a lot of memorable buckets in the history of this team. More blocks. That's who we were.
     
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    These are some very interesting stats- makes me wonder why the team wasn't rebounding on a constant basis. I mean droping from being 4th (1st) seed to 19th (15th) in only one year?
    It seems that the team has become much better on the board after Sheed's arrival.
    I think Ben will get about 10 rpg next season. In our team, Tay and Dyess will have to crash the boards more than ever. Tay should be able to get about 6 a game easily, so does Dyess. Hopefully Sheed won't turn into a 2nd Uncle Cliffy- the older he gets, the more familiar he becomes. They're both good defenders who like to shoot from the outside and they're both weak at rebounding. And both of them come from Portland...
     
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    the coach did play ben in crunch time until riley simply forced him to sit ben down. having ben in the game during crunchtime riley would often foul ben quickly and to avoid this i saw chauncey jack up several 3 foot behind the arc 3's just so we would get a shot off. ben being in the game for the first 6 games during crunchtime really hurt us. if riley needed a stop he would just foul ben.

    in my opinion flip should have sat ben down a long time ago. he wasn't effective against shaq. he wasn't effective against wade. why is he on the court?? for that possibility of a highlight block or emotional rebound??? he got one highlight block on shaq that wasn't enough to get us over the top in the series. mcdyess should have been playing heavy minutes. ben should have been sitting on the bench and letting his team win a series for him. but his ego wouldn't let him .
     
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    McDyess was absolutely terrible in the Heat series, except Game 5.

    He averaged 6 points, 5 rebounds in almost 20 MPG. He had games of 2, 3 and zero points. In fact, he saved his worst for last in the Game 6 elimination, scoring no points in 18 minutes, missing all 3 of his shots and both of his free throws.

    I was the biggest McDyess fan. His recovery has plateaued.

    People complain about Sheed not playing inside and getting himself to the free throw line. Well, per 40 minutes, McDyess takes one more free throw than Sheed every 10 games.

    And for all of the hulla baloo about Ben's poor FT shooting, McDyess was the next worst FT shooter in the regular rotation (50+ games played).

    McDyess is not a 6th starter. He's a decent 6th man, and based on his age and lack of athleticism, that is probably all he will be for the rest of his career.
     
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    How much will it cost me to get this post plastered on a tee-shirt and mailed to bballjay? :)
     
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    in my opinion. mcdyess had a pretty subpar playoffs as a whole. i do however remember mcdyess and the whole bench rolling right before the playoffs started and then flip "shortened the rotation". i think flip didn't play mcdyess as much as he should have for fear of upsetting ben.

    he hasn't plateaued. this is just the start with the renewed regular minutes since the ben exit his game will become more consistent. i see him grabbing 10 rebounds a game this season.

    how many shots does sheed take before he gets a free throw?? mcdyess doesn't shoot as much so of course he gets fouled less. mcdyess shoots fadeaways from the post which doesn't get many fouls. it doesn't mean he isn't in the post. also now that arroyo isn't here to get him the rock on the second unit mcdyess game suffered.

    mcdyess has always said with more time in games his free throw percentage will go up. i believe him. mcdyess is a 6th starter and his athleticism is coming back now that he is believing in his knee. he'll be a 15 and 10 player if flip plays him right. those are great numbers on the pistons.
     
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    Yo know, hacking the other team's worst FT shooter NEVER works....that is until you hire a coach that helps make it work by taking your best defender and rebounder and sitting him on the bench during CRUCIAL MOMENTS OF GAMES WHEN YOU NEED STOPS AND REBOUNDS. :shout:
     
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    There isn't a bench player in the history of the sport of basketball that hasn't uttered that phrase.
     
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    the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

    sup dog.


    I think mcDyess can step up and step in.
     
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    well it worked against us. flip only sat ben down late in the series. when miami needed a stop they just fouled ben. dude ben was out of that series anyway. he had no business on the court. who was ben stopping??? you say it never works because no coach has used it the way riley did. riley stuck to it and he used it to get into ben's head and it worked.

    so are you saying that we could have turned the series around if flip had kept ben in the game to brick free throw after free throw???
     
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    I think he got more into Flip's head then Ben's. His previous coaches never gave into Hack-A-Ben. They showed faith in the DOP, so his confidence wouldn't be rocked. Flip obviouisly didn't read that page. ..and yes leave Ben in. Like Low said ...defense and rebounding. You are the only one in a free throw tizzy. Looks like Hack-A-Ben worked on you too. lol.
     
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    the defensive schemes were different as were the philosophies...I don't know if flip bought in 100% into the "Get a Stop" rather than "Get a Bucket." In the latter mentality it makes sense to sit ben.
     
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    That's a fair assesment.
     
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