Okay, Low and Roscoe, this is a clean question, I know how you guys rib me for my choice of words, but no pun intended on this one. Maybe someone out in PistonsForum land have a logical reason of why the Pistons play lousy at times and sometimes they play like a championship caliber, fundamentally sound team. I know we have the story about how the Pistons get up for the 500 teams and choose to cruise with the lowly Trailblazers and Bobcats, however, there has to be much more to this. I am trying to find some kind of logic. So I am going to have to put some of this on coaching and discipline. You must motivate your players in a way to take all teams seriously. Did we have this issue with Carlisle and LB. We may have teetered on the edge with LB but it wasn't quite as obvious. My philosophy is; this is a sign of a leader (Coach) who may have lost some respect and credibility. All good teams want to make their coach look good and in-turn make themselves look good. Are the players listening to the coach. Did anyone see the newest Terrell Owens controversy???...It appears that Bill Parcells was giving the players a positive pep talk on the win against the Giants, when reporters asked Terrell what he thought about Parcells talk with the players his response was, and I quote, "I don't remember what the coach said because at the time I was thinking about my upcoming birthday party". So all that to say this, are the players listening, or are they tuning Flip out and flying by the seat of their pants, playing hard when they want to play hard. I just have this sneaky suspicion that the players have lost faith and respect in Flip as a coach.