With 12 games remaining they may need to finish with a 17 game winning streak to secure the playoff spot.

They need to sweep the Indians this week. The Yanks are playing eveyone's whipping team Orioles this week, so only a miracle would see the Tigers gaining any ground on them.

The only way that we get the tiebreaker against the Indians is if we sweep them.

So, the final game of the series could have quadruple the weight.

Say for example that we cut it to 1 games going into the final game (just to illustrate). If we win, then we tie them and would effectively be 1 game ahead because of the tiebreaker. If we lose to them, we would be 2 games down and effectively be 3 down because we would lose the tiebreaker.

So, that game could produce a 4 game difference in the standings.

I don't like your math...............unless we win..

What a late inning disaster.

I absolutely cannot stand Inge.

Bottom of the 9th, Mohawks to the plate in a 5-5 tie.

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Nov 13 LW Milan Lucic had an active night. He scored his first goal in eight games since his Oct. 25 hat trick and also pounded Michael Komisarek in a third-period fight. Lucic cut his hand in a fight with Michael Komisarek. "I'll be fine," he said. "(X-rays are) negative, but there's so many broken bones in there from before you can't really tell."

Very painful loss. Yea, I can't stand Inge either.

This loss is on Leyland and Zumaya. Rogers pitches a nice game getting out of trouble here and there and then JL pulls him after 7 ....just because his pitch count was up to 100.

JL overmanaged all season pulling pitchers when he shouldn't have and then leaving others in too long. Case in point, Zumaya, who had pitched the last two games, comes in and walks the first batter he pitches to and then gives up a single on the next batter ....I am thinking, the guy is tired and doesn't have it, pull him. Nope.. JL leaves him in and he gets the next two batters to ground out (they score one run) and then the next batter hits over the right field fence.

The whole second half of the season was managed this way, but good pitching and timely hits in September had got them off them back in the race and a sweep of the Indians would have put enough pressure on them to see a possibe Cleveland collapse.....but nope, offense stalled hoping the pitching could hold on and Zumaya didn't have and then Zack gave up a walkoff HR to end this in the 11th.

Like I said in a post earlier today, they got to win everygame the rest of the season to assure a spot in the playoffs and that ain't going to happen.

Team seems to be pushing up daisies..................: help2:

So much for my dream scenario.

Now we are realistically out of the race for the division.

Wildcard is the only way.



Just another thought. Take a look at the runs scored by the Yankees and the runs given up compared to us. They are way better. It is amazing that we are only 3 games behind them.

I think the race for the playoff spot ended last night. I hope they manage to prove me wrong, but they are too far behind now with to little time left. There is one thing that has been an annoyance to me as of late. Where is the offense in the late innings? They tend to score early and disappear. And leave it up to the pitchers to keep the lead. A run here and there in the end would seal the deal, it is also psychological.

stick a fork in the tigers this year, they're done.