TIGERS 08 SEASON THREAD

[mikhail1973]

You've gotta be kidding me. Tigers score 1 run in the first 2 innings. But they leave 5 men on including 4 in the scoring position failing to bring runners home with runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out and twice with bases loaded and 2 outs. They just don't have good enough pitching to keep missing out on these. The guy walked 5 in 2 innings, but only 1 run scored.

[mikhail1973]

And of course Rogers gives up a homer, a solo, on an 0-2 pitch. This team just makes me so mad.

[mikhail1973]

The Tigers are now 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position through 3. And this is supposed to be the best offense of all times???

[BillLaimbeer]

Originally Posted by mikhail1973

The Tigers are now 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position through 3. And this is supposed to be the best offense of all times???

Patience, my man. Patience. You just gotta believe!

[mikhail1973]

Originally Posted by BillLaimbeer

Patience, my man. Patience. You just gotta believe!

Why do they have to do everything the hard way? When you have your opponent down you step on the throat and don't let go. This team has not done it this year. They were 2-14 with runners in scoring position before they were finally able to string a few hits together, aided by the error. What's missing is that "timely hit" that kind of puts the other team on the brink and does a lot of psychological damage. When you let pitcher off the hook and give him confidence, you make it tough on yourself.
The Tigers ended up scoring 8 runs and winning fairly comfortably, but not all the games are going to be like this.

[TaShawn]

Here is something interesting.

Lopez, Bautista, and Todd Jones have combined for 28 innings pitched this year and they have only given up 3 runs (1 each). Also, Verlander and Bonderman have had > 20% of their runs allowed of the "un-earned" variety.

On a negative note, Jaques Jones has 8 total bases this year, including walks. That is in 37 trips to the plate. All of his hits have been singles. My Cubs buddy laughed when I asked him about JJ after the trade.

Here is a stat I like to look at. Total bases + walks. So far on the season:
Guillen- 42 (on fire)
Ordonez- 33 solid
Cabrera- 33 solid
Inge- 33 (surprisingly productive)
Retneria- 29 solid
Sheffield- 26 (a ton of walks)
Thomas- 20 (very good for limited at bats)
Pudge- 20 (not good compared to Spring training)
Polanco- 15 (miserable. Hopefully b/c of injury)
Thames- 9
Jones- 8 (Horrendous)


Starting pitching needs to wake up.

[mikhail1973]

Originally Posted by TaShawn

Here is something interesting.

Lopez, Bautista, and Todd Jones have combined for 28 innings pitched this year and they have only given up 3 runs (1 each). Also, Verlander and Bonderman have had > 20% of their runs allowed of the "un-earned" variety.

On a negative note, Jaques Jones has 8 total bases this year, including walks. That is in 37 trips to the plate. All of his hits have been singles. My Cubs buddy laughed when I asked him about JJ after the trade.

Here is a stat I like to look at. Total bases + walks. So far on the season:
Guillen- 42 (on fire)
Ordonez- 33 solid
Cabrera- 33 solid
Inge- 33 (surprisingly productive)
Retneria- 29 solid
Sheffield- 26 (a ton of walks)
Thomas- 20 (very good for limited at bats)
Pudge- 20 (not good compared to Spring training)
Polanco- 15 (miserable. Hopefully b/c of injury)
Thames- 9
Jones- 8 (Horrendous)


Starting pitching needs to wake up.

These stats are helpful, but the timing of the things is also quite important. Sheffield struck out with bases loaded. Guillen bounced out. That's what I don't like.

[TaShawn]

Originally Posted by mikhail1973

These stats are helpful, but the timing of the things is also quite important. Sheffield struck out with bases loaded. Guillen bounced out. That's what I don't like.

The best hitters only convert 1 in 3. In each situation like that, the odds are against the hitter. Michael Jordan missed more game winning shots than he made.

Also, on a very positive note, Detroit pitched a 3-hitter tonight.


Something I think is funny... our 9th hitter is Inge and Toronto's is Inglett.

[mikhail1973]

Originally Posted by TaShawn

The best hitters only convert 1 in 3. In each situation like that, the odds are against the hitter. Michael Jordan missed more game winning shots than he made.

I know those odds are less then 1 in 3. But when you're talking 0 for 7 or 2 for 13 it is not good.
But all good that ends good. They got the W. As long as they don't make a trend of leaving too many on base they should be fine.

[TaShawn]

I think this can put Jaques Jones's slump in perspective.

Guillen had 7 total bases in the first games of the season.
Jones has 8 total bases on the season.

Maybe there is a spot for Inge in LF when Grandy comes back. Or Clete Thomas.